Comments on: Horse Slaughter in the US Revisited http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited an e-Vet Clinic site about horse health Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Susan Pizzini http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-120 Susan Pizzini Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:36:04 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-120 I haven't been to this forum since my post on October 17, 2007. On October 18, 2007 I found my 36 year old horse, Nomad lying dead in his pasture thought he ate his dinner the night before and seemed ok. I found him with the ground undisturbed, having gone peacefully, perhaps in his sleep. He lived an exceptionally long life and remained useful to some degree until the end. He was a treasure, he was also a champion in his hay day. He taught many people to ride, took care of the weak riders while offering a fun ride for more advanced riders and to those who enjoyed a few bucks along the way, he did that too even at the age of 26. So should I have taken him to a slaughterhouse once he was no longer able to offer an exciting ride? Didn't he earn the right to a decent retirement? What do these horses have to do in order to be retired and not slaughtered??? Winning the Kentucky Derby didn't protect Ferdinand from the slaughterhouse. The offspring of great racehorses such as Native Dancer routinely end up slaughtered. Winning over $100,000 does not offer sanctuary for the winning horse though praised at the time of victory, soon forgotten and sent away to be slaughtered. What are these horses owed? Nothing??? We talk about owner's rights, but doesn't the animal deserve some consideration? These animals need protection from the cruelest of humans who are not humane. American horse slaughterhouses have never humanely killed a horse, why is this thought that we should reopen American slaughterhouses so that we can keep it humane so commonly written when they never were humane, they were cruel and brutal just as they are in Mexico and Canada now. Let's not only shutter American horse slaughter plants but stop American horses from leaving the country for slaughter. Let's give all horses the same retirement that my wonderful old horse Nomad received, the basic care, out to pasture as most Americans believed is what happens to retired race horses. I haven’t been to this forum since my post on October 17, 2007. On October 18, 2007 I found my 36 year old horse, Nomad lying dead in his pasture thought he ate his dinner the night before and seemed ok. I found him with the ground undisturbed, having gone peacefully, perhaps in his sleep.

He lived an exceptionally long life and remained useful to some degree until the end. He was a treasure, he was also a champion in his hay day. He taught many people to ride, took care of the weak riders while offering a fun ride for more advanced riders and to those who enjoyed a few bucks along the way, he did that too even at the age of 26.

So should I have taken him to a slaughterhouse once he was no longer able to offer an exciting ride? Didn’t he earn the right to a decent retirement? What do these horses have to do in order to be retired and not slaughtered??? Winning the Kentucky Derby didn’t protect Ferdinand from the slaughterhouse. The offspring of great racehorses such as Native Dancer routinely end up slaughtered. Winning over $100,000 does not offer sanctuary for the winning horse though praised at the time of victory, soon forgotten and sent away to be slaughtered. What are these horses owed? Nothing??? We talk about owner’s rights, but doesn’t the animal deserve some consideration? These animals need protection from the cruelest of humans who are not humane. American horse slaughterhouses have never humanely killed a horse, why is this thought that we should reopen American slaughterhouses so that we can keep it humane so commonly written when they never were humane, they were cruel and brutal just as they are in Mexico and Canada now. Let’s not only shutter American horse slaughter plants but stop American horses from leaving the country for slaughter.

Let’s give all horses the same retirement that my wonderful old horse Nomad received, the basic care, out to pasture as most Americans believed is what happens to retired race horses.

]]> By: vicki http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-119 vicki Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:29:54 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-119 john williams - the transport to Mexico and Canada is not a new event. This was happening when the kill houses were open and to Japan, as well. If you check the USDA website, you'll note that the levels are about the same, at this point in time, as they were in past years when the kill houses were open. Where was the outrage then????? john williams – the transport to Mexico and Canada is not a new event. This was happening when the kill houses were open and to Japan, as well. If you check the USDA website, you’ll note that the levels are about the same, at this point in time, as they were in past years when the kill houses were open. Where was the outrage then?????

]]> By: john wiliams http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-118 john wiliams Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:54:31 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-118 It seems there is a lot of anti slaughter comments from big horse breeders. One comment even put a plug in for thoroghbreeds. Is it ok to put horsemeat and mulemeat into pet food? I just googled pet food incredients and horsemeat and mule meat byproducts is on the list of regulated incredients. Interesting. I guess its ok to slaughter horses for Fido, but not for Fred in France. I live in Illinois where there is a lot of people that have 3 to 5 horses as a hoby. I wonder if this is the case in the horse population throughtout this country? But its seems to be the big time horse people that always have the right answers for everyone. Like I said in my comment before, horses are animals just like cattle and dogs. Dead is Dead, why not spur some income into this economy instead of draining money on horse owners. Yes, don't go off on resposible breeding practices. We can't regulate people that have children that can not afford them, so do you think poor breeding practices will change? Is there any statistics on how much horsemeat goes into lard, petfood, or anything else, oh sorry,"meat by product" whatever. COMMONSENSE PEOPLE It seems there is a lot of anti slaughter comments from big horse breeders. One comment even put a plug in for thoroghbreeds. Is it ok to put horsemeat and mulemeat into pet food? I just googled pet food incredients and horsemeat and mule meat byproducts is on the list of regulated incredients. Interesting. I guess its ok to slaughter horses for Fido, but not for Fred in France. I live in Illinois where there is a lot of people that have 3 to 5 horses as a hoby. I wonder if this is the case in the horse population throughtout this country? But its seems to be the big time horse people that always have the right answers for everyone. Like I said in my comment before, horses are animals just like cattle and dogs. Dead is Dead, why not spur some income into this economy instead of draining money on horse owners. Yes, don’t go off on resposible breeding practices. We can’t regulate people that have children that can not afford them, so do you think poor breeding practices will change? Is there any statistics on how much horsemeat goes into lard, petfood, or anything else, oh sorry,”meat by product” whatever. COMMONSENSE PEOPLE

]]> By: john wiliams http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-115 john wiliams Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:23:52 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-115 I just read a comment that stated why can't we give vets time to put horses down for the people that can't afford it. Do you really believe this will happen. Who pays to dispose of the animal, a rendering plant? Guess what, the old nag will be put into lard or biodeisel like any other livestock is. Jwseneca@sbcglobal.net I just read a comment that stated why can’t we give vets time to put horses down for the people that can’t afford it. Do you really believe this will happen. Who pays to dispose of the animal, a rendering plant? Guess what, the old nag will be put into lard or biodeisel like any other livestock is. Jwseneca@sbcglobal.net

]]> By: john wiliams http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-117 john wiliams Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:13:28 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-117 Another point, Will this have a trickle down effect on the econmoy? I read one comment that its just about the money. Is that very hard to comprehend. Not everyone in America has a Vets salary, or some of these big horse ranches income, sure its about the money. My wifes father has one pet horse, and if he gets to old to care for her who will. Nobody will want her because they probally have their own to contend with. Are these horse rescue ranches going to travel the country picking up every unwanted horse? Get real. Why waste all the gas money and time taking these horses anywhere. Most of them will just be shot in the head and left for the buzzards and coyottes. Thats so much better than sluaghtering them and added dollars to this economy. We all know horses are exspensive, but now they are going to be a burden on a lot more than their owners. Like I said before, animals should be treated and cared for with respect in life and death, and there should be stricter laws and penalties for anybody thats doesnt abide by them. Oh, horse racing is just fine right? Another point, Will this have a trickle down effect on the econmoy? I read one comment that its just about the money. Is that very hard to comprehend. Not everyone in America has a Vets salary, or some of these big horse ranches income, sure its about the money. My wifes father has one pet horse, and if he gets to old to care for her who will. Nobody will want her because they probally have their own to contend with. Are these horse rescue ranches going to travel the country picking up every unwanted horse? Get real. Why waste all the gas money and time taking these horses anywhere. Most of them will just be shot in the head and left for the buzzards and coyottes. Thats so much better than sluaghtering them and added dollars to this economy. We all know horses are exspensive, but now they are going to be a burden on a lot more than their owners. Like I said before, animals should be treated and cared for with respect in life and death, and there should be stricter laws and penalties for anybody thats doesnt abide by them. Oh, horse racing is just fine right?

]]> By: john wilims http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-116 john wilims Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:58:44 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-116 Why don't these animal rights activist concentrate on the abusers. Once again they put the cart before the horse. Now these animals will be subjected to a long trip to Mexico and Canada. I think its very cold in Canada and hot in Mexico. A friend of mine was just given 5 horses that another couple could not feed anymore. He brought them about 200 miles to auction thinking he would get a couple hundred bucks a piece, but in the end he paid the auction house 28.oo to get rid of them. This is just a tip of the unwanted horse iceburg. Remember these are animals not humans. Yes we love them like they are part of our family, but they are still animals! Lets all just us commonsense and treat all animals with respect in life and death. Why don’t these animal rights activist concentrate on the abusers. Once again they put the cart before the horse. Now these animals will be subjected to a long trip to Mexico and Canada. I think its very cold in Canada and hot in Mexico. A friend of mine was just given 5 horses that another couple could not feed anymore. He brought them about 200 miles to auction thinking he would get a couple hundred bucks a piece, but in the end he paid the auction house 28.oo to get rid of them. This is just a tip of the unwanted horse iceburg. Remember these are animals not humans. Yes we love them like they are part of our family, but they are still animals! Lets all just us commonsense and treat all animals with respect in life and death.

]]> By: vicki http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-114 vicki Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:34:21 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-114 Dr. B, I thought you would want to read this. John Holland has gone through, in painstaking detail, every one of the Q & As on the AVMA website and refuted every one of them with facts. Click on the bottom right for his paper. It's excellent. http://www.texashorsetalk.com Dr. B, I thought you would want to read this. John Holland has gone through, in painstaking detail, every one of the Q & As on the AVMA website and refuted every one of them with facts. Click on the bottom right for his paper. It’s excellent. http://www.texashorsetalk.com

]]> By: vicki http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-109 vicki Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:16:42 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-109 Good evening! I don't know anything about them but here's the website they gave on the post - http://www.equihab.com/freeeuth.htm. I just went to the website and they're located in Maryland about 30 minutes from New Bolton (which they advertise, of course!) and are a 501c3. Their vet is from Unionville Equine Assoc. Hope that helps! Good evening! I don’t know anything about them but here’s the website they gave on the post – http://www.equihab.com/freeeuth.htm. I just went to the website and they’re located in Maryland about 30 minutes from New Bolton (which they advertise, of course!) and are a 501c3. Their vet is from Unionville Equine Assoc.

Hope that helps!

]]> By: Daniel Beatty, DVM http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-103 Daniel Beatty, DVM Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:47:14 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-103 Vicki, Do you have a link for this organization? I have never heard of them, so it is possible that they do not have good marketing and no one knows about them. I would have to say that it is also possible that they people they have approached have been killers so of course their business is slaughtering of horses; they are going to refuse. Then again I know nothing of this group so give us some more info about it. Thanks, Dr. Dan Vicki,

Do you have a link for this organization? I have never heard of them, so it is possible that they do not have good marketing and no one knows about them. I would have to say that it is also possible that they people they have approached have been killers so of course their business is slaughtering of horses; they are going to refuse. Then again I know nothing of this group so give us some more info about it.

Thanks,
Dr. Dan

]]> By: vicki http://horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited/comment-page-1#comment-102 vicki Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:57:11 +0000 http://www.horsekinetics.com/horse-slaughter-in-the-us-revisited#comment-102 Dr. B, as an FYI, I saw a post to an article from an organization, Equihab, that offers free euthanisia. They said people call to ask them to take their horses but not one person takes them up for free euthanisia. Proving once again, it's all about $$$. They are unwanted only for the meat buyer. Their comment was "It's got to make you wonder about how really "unwanted" some of these horses are. They're "unwanted" enough to be sold to the kill-buyer for $250. Offer to put the horse down locally & humanely, and suddenly the horse is wanted enough to keep [until next week's meat auction, probably] Slaughter pays people to dump animals." Dr. B, as an FYI, I saw a post to an article from an organization, Equihab, that offers free euthanisia. They said people call to ask them to take their horses but not one person takes them up for free euthanisia. Proving once again, it’s all about $$$. They are unwanted only for the meat buyer. Their comment was “It’s got to make you wonder about how really “unwanted” some of these horses are. They’re “unwanted” enough to be sold to the kill-buyer for $250. Offer to put the horse down locally & humanely, and suddenly the horse is wanted enough to keep [until next week's meat auction, probably]

Slaughter pays people to dump animals.”

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