August 20, 2014

Horse Slaughter in the news again

Horse slaughter is an issue that really gets people going and it is back in the news yet again.

Our friends over at Veterinarians for Equine Welfare (http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org) have issued a press release yesterday with some very interesting detective work. Here is a portion of the Press Release -

“The AVMA is part of a coalition misleadingly called the Horse Welfare Coalition,” stated veterinarian Dr. Nena Winand, another founding member of VEW who went to Washington, DC. “The coalition isn’t about horse welfare, not a single welfare organization is involved. It’s about making money at the expense of our horses and its members include many agribusiness trade industry groups like the American Meat Institute and the Kansas Pork Association. In fact, the coalition’s associated website, commonhorsesense.com, was originally purchased by a lawyer for two of the domestic horse slaughter plants and counts among its spokespeople Charlie Stenholm, former Member of Congress and current lobbyist for the slaughterhouses. While the AVMA and others decry the export of American horses to Mexico for slaughter they are partnering with the very companies that are actively buying and shipping horses to Mexican slaughter plants.”

Very politically scathing comments with conspiracy theory undertones. If true this really damages the reputation of the Horse Welfare Coalition and also the AVMAs position of being unbiased and only looking out for the welfare of the horse. You can read the rest of the press release on their website at —> http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/vew_on_hill.php

My position for the record is that I feel horse slaughter methods be changed and if not then abolished; however if abolished, the unwanted horses that may occur need to be taken care of, which is why I support the Unwanted Horse Coalition – http://www.unwantedhorsecoalition.org/

  • vicki

    Hi, Dr. B! Have you seen this? Every AVMA pro slaughter talking point is refuted. http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-123.shtml

    Have you also wondered what has happened to the hundreds of thousands of horses that are no longer being slaughtered? At the height of slaughter, 420,968 horses were slaughtered (includes exports). Last year, the count was around 100,000. The drop occurred over the years but one has to ask, where have all those horses gone that would have been slaughtered? They’re not abandoned or wandering the streets and the cases of abuse and neglect have not increased.

    As far as exports, the counts are currently in-line with previous years (the info is also available on the USDA website). Why the outrage now? Why weren’t all the pro folks up in arms when the kill houses were open and exporting thousands of horses to Mexico and Canada? Again, this is the latest pro slaughter talking point in their effort to drum up slaughter support. By not supporting the passage of S311 aren’t these folks condoning the exports? The bill was intended to shut down slaughter. Since the kill houses are already shut down, all that’s left is to close the pipeline to Mexico and Canada. That’s all they’re talking about now but yet, don’t support stopping the transport. Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn’t it?

    Thank you again for keeping this important issue front and center.

  • vicki

    Hi, Dr. B! Have you seen this? Every AVMA pro slaughter talking point is refuted. http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-123.shtml

    Have you also wondered what has happened to the hundreds of thousands of horses that are no longer being slaughtered? At the height of slaughter, 420,968 horses were slaughtered (includes exports). Last year, the count was around 100,000. The drop occurred over the years but one has to ask, where have all those horses gone that would have been slaughtered? They’re not abandoned or wandering the streets and the cases of abuse and neglect have not increased.

    As far as exports, the counts are currently in-line with previous years (the info is also available on the USDA website). Why the outrage now? Why weren’t all the pro folks up in arms when the kill houses were open and exporting thousands of horses to Mexico and Canada? Again, this is the latest pro slaughter talking point in their effort to drum up slaughter support. By not supporting the passage of S311 aren’t these folks condoning the exports? The bill was intended to shut down slaughter. Since the kill houses are already shut down, all that’s left is to close the pipeline to Mexico and Canada. That’s all they’re talking about now but yet, don’t support stopping the transport. Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn’t it?

    Thank you again for keeping this important issue front and center.

  • vicki

    Ooops – wrong link. This is the AVMA piece http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-132.shtml

  • vicki

    Ooops – wrong link. This is the AVMA piece http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/horseslaughter-132.shtml

  • Sue Walker

    Dr. Beatty-

    Glad you posted this. However, what proof would you like? I emailed VEW and they showed it to me. The records show the site for the HWC was purchased by the slaughterhouses and the coalitions lobbyist is registered to Beltex and Dallas Crown. Pretty clear the AVMA is in bed with the slaughterhouses. That is devastating to the integrity of the AVMA.

    I have asked for evidence from the AVMA on “unwanted” horses, but they can never provide anything. They just say “trust us.” That is bad policy making. I have been seeing around the lists that the rash of abandoned horses has also proven false. State agency after state agency has no clue that horses are being abandoned even though their agencies are being quoted.

    The facts and truth are pretty clear on this. Slaughter is wrong.

    Sue

    ps. The “Unwanted” Horse Coalition was formed by the same pro-horse slaughter groups of the HWC. Did you notice not a single welfare group was asked to participate?

  • Sue Walker

    Dr. Beatty-

    Glad you posted this. However, what proof would you like? I emailed VEW and they showed it to me. The records show the site for the HWC was purchased by the slaughterhouses and the coalitions lobbyist is registered to Beltex and Dallas Crown. Pretty clear the AVMA is in bed with the slaughterhouses. That is devastating to the integrity of the AVMA.

    I have asked for evidence from the AVMA on “unwanted” horses, but they can never provide anything. They just say “trust us.” That is bad policy making. I have been seeing around the lists that the rash of abandoned horses has also proven false. State agency after state agency has no clue that horses are being abandoned even though their agencies are being quoted.

    The facts and truth are pretty clear on this. Slaughter is wrong.

    Sue

    ps. The “Unwanted” Horse Coalition was formed by the same pro-horse slaughter groups of the HWC. Did you notice not a single welfare group was asked to participate?

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Vicki,

    I realize that the horse population absorbed those horses over the years, which is possible. It was made possible by the increase of the rescues and people taking the horses slowly over the same time period. My concern as it has always been from the beginning is the dumping of horses like we have seen this year due to the high price of hay and fuel. What are the killers going to do with their horses, when they can no longer transport them? Also the horses they acquire, I realize there are questions as to whether they are truly unwanted horses or not but not all of them can be stolen horses, what happens to them, where do they no go? The horse market is suffering right now. You go to sales and many horses are not selling, they are unwanted, obviously unwanted by the person selling and since no one is buying, unwanted by the buyers as well. In my opinion with the closing of all this those numbers will increase. I also realize this is a temporary issue and does not mean that we should not stop the slaughtering. I just want to be sure that the numbers are taken care of which means an increase in rescues, funding for rescues, and awareness of rescues.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Vicki,

    I realize that the horse population absorbed those horses over the years, which is possible. It was made possible by the increase of the rescues and people taking the horses slowly over the same time period. My concern as it has always been from the beginning is the dumping of horses like we have seen this year due to the high price of hay and fuel. What are the killers going to do with their horses, when they can no longer transport them? Also the horses they acquire, I realize there are questions as to whether they are truly unwanted horses or not but not all of them can be stolen horses, what happens to them, where do they no go? The horse market is suffering right now. You go to sales and many horses are not selling, they are unwanted, obviously unwanted by the person selling and since no one is buying, unwanted by the buyers as well. In my opinion with the closing of all this those numbers will increase. I also realize this is a temporary issue and does not mean that we should not stop the slaughtering. I just want to be sure that the numbers are taken care of which means an increase in rescues, funding for rescues, and awareness of rescues.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    I do not really need proof. That is for lawyers and government officials to work out. As far as proof that is made available to the public, we can look at who registered the websites. The HWC website was registered by a company out of Washington DC that does website promotion (like my company D&S Beatty Enterprises, LLP that owns this website). So it is a matter of who hired that company. If the VEW has proof of that, that is great it just supports their position. With that said it may not implicate the AVMA in anything other than having the same opinions on a topic a group that profits from the slaughter of horses, which we already know to be true. The question is their motive which they claim is different than that of the slaughterhouses.

    Now as far as your ps statement, it is a little misleading. The unwanted horse coalition website was registered by the American Horse Council, which as we know is against the slaughter bill. That however does not mean they are entirely a bad group. They do a lot of good, as well, and I feel this website is a good thing. As for them not asking any of the other welfare groups, why would they? Their feeling is that they are not doing a good job in getting this information out there so they are
    doing it themselves.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    I do not really need proof. That is for lawyers and government officials to work out. As far as proof that is made available to the public, we can look at who registered the websites. The HWC website was registered by a company out of Washington DC that does website promotion (like my company D&S Beatty Enterprises, LLP that owns this website). So it is a matter of who hired that company. If the VEW has proof of that, that is great it just supports their position. With that said it may not implicate the AVMA in anything other than having the same opinions on a topic a group that profits from the slaughter of horses, which we already know to be true. The question is their motive which they claim is different than that of the slaughterhouses.

    Now as far as your ps statement, it is a little misleading. The unwanted horse coalition website was registered by the American Horse Council, which as we know is against the slaughter bill. That however does not mean they are entirely a bad group. They do a lot of good, as well, and I feel this website is a good thing. As for them not asking any of the other welfare groups, why would they? Their feeling is that they are not doing a good job in getting this information out there so they are
    doing it themselves.

  • Sue Walker

    Thanks Dr. Beatty-

    I thought as a veterinarian (the word science is often tossed around by the AVMA “this should be based on facts and science not emotion”) you would want evidence of the situation and not just what you get from a business association like the AVMA. You did check the WHOIS database which is good. Now do a search for that company SciWords which has the registration. They are a Washington, DC PR firm retained by the Washington, DC lobbying firm hired by the slaughterhouses (go to http://www.senate.gov and search the lobbying registrations). This is no secret, though I am sure they are all running around to hide this now that VEW has exposed it.

    The AHC is actually neutral on the bill (though their leadership is pro-horse slaughter), but you seem to have your mind set up about being pro-horse slaughter. Again, that is fine, but you should say what is right by fact and what you believe in. They don’t have to be the same and I am not saying they are.

    The humane community is not doing a good job at welfare? Yikes. It was the welfare community, the Animal Welfare Institute, that started the whole anti-slaughter campaign. If not for the humane community the AHC and other pro-horse slaughter groups would never have created a front group to make it look like they care. None of the UHC groups give a dime to equine rescue while those opposed to slaughter give a great deal and intend to give more. Well, let me clarify, the thoroughbred industry supports a ban and they do give money to rescues (though even many of them will admit they can do more). The AQHA, AVMA, AAEP and others don’t do anything for rescue or education on responsible ownership.

    Again, if you wish to support horse slaughter just admit it and don’t try to hide behind the false excuses being up up by those profiting from slaughter. Cruelty hasn’t increased, abandonment hasn’t increased, theft decreased and prices are up at sales across the US. Now I am sure you will say “that is your opinion, but where are the facts?” Well, you don’t need facts do you?

    Thank goodness for vets like those who founded VEW. Now horse owners like myself know where to go for an individual we are sure actually cares about our horses.

  • Sue Walker

    Thanks Dr. Beatty-

    I thought as a veterinarian (the word science is often tossed around by the AVMA “this should be based on facts and science not emotion”) you would want evidence of the situation and not just what you get from a business association like the AVMA. You did check the WHOIS database which is good. Now do a search for that company SciWords which has the registration. They are a Washington, DC PR firm retained by the Washington, DC lobbying firm hired by the slaughterhouses (go to http://www.senate.gov and search the lobbying registrations). This is no secret, though I am sure they are all running around to hide this now that VEW has exposed it.

    The AHC is actually neutral on the bill (though their leadership is pro-horse slaughter), but you seem to have your mind set up about being pro-horse slaughter. Again, that is fine, but you should say what is right by fact and what you believe in. They don’t have to be the same and I am not saying they are.

    The humane community is not doing a good job at welfare? Yikes. It was the welfare community, the Animal Welfare Institute, that started the whole anti-slaughter campaign. If not for the humane community the AHC and other pro-horse slaughter groups would never have created a front group to make it look like they care. None of the UHC groups give a dime to equine rescue while those opposed to slaughter give a great deal and intend to give more. Well, let me clarify, the thoroughbred industry supports a ban and they do give money to rescues (though even many of them will admit they can do more). The AQHA, AVMA, AAEP and others don’t do anything for rescue or education on responsible ownership.

    Again, if you wish to support horse slaughter just admit it and don’t try to hide behind the false excuses being up up by those profiting from slaughter. Cruelty hasn’t increased, abandonment hasn’t increased, theft decreased and prices are up at sales across the US. Now I am sure you will say “that is your opinion, but where are the facts?” Well, you don’t need facts do you?

    Thank goodness for vets like those who founded VEW. Now horse owners like myself know where to go for an individual we are sure actually cares about our horses.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    I do not know where you came up with the idea that I am pro horse slaughter. I am not pro horse slaughter with the way it is run right now. The biggest concern I have is the way that the captive bolt is being used. The horse needs to be restrained properly for it to actually be a humane death which is where all the arguments of it being euthanasia fall apart, because as far as I can tell their is no head restraint at all. This among other things need to be changed if we are going to keep horse slaughter, if it is not going to be changed then personally I think it is already violating the humane laws that we have on record.

    Also I did not say or even imply that the humane society is not doing a good job of welfare. What I did imply is that information of where rescue groups are located specifically for horses is lacking which is where the website for the unwanted horse coalition has been extremely helpful. Taking the website at face value this is where the American Horse Council is coming from with this website -

    “The Unwanted Horse Coalition, a broad alliance of equine organizations that have joined together under the American Horse Council, is concerned that some horses may slip through the various safety nets within the equine industry. Too many owners are unaware of, or do not give enough thought to, the available options, services and assistance available in the industry to help them ensure that their horse has caring and humane support throughout its life. ”

    The first thing you see on the site is a new online directory of facilities that accept horses! You go to the humane society or other websites and you do not find this information easily, if at all.

    I have no argument with you at all. And I am not attacking you personally – you made an incorrect statement and I corrected it. I am sorry if that offended you. Let me explain a little more about my not needing proof… Facts – I like facts. You inquired about proof, I do not need proof and I will explain why. This small piece in the press release about who’s in bed with who is politics and mudslinging which I really do not like to be a part of, in this situation I brought it up because I thought it pertinent to point out that it is getting uglier and that the VEW made a huge strike by having “proof” that the AVMA is not being truthful in it “unbiased” claim of being “neutral” to the slaughterhouses. Is it true or not? In the world of politics and mudslinging it does not matter. Perception is reality when it comes to mudslinging. My quick search on the internet showed some validity to the VEW’s claim so I really did not need more proof, because like you said I have already made up my mind – slaughter for horses the way it is run right now is bad and my professional organizations are incorrect in their stance. I do not need proof that they are in bed with anyone. Personally I do not care, because there are a lot of things my organizations do that I do not agree with – we can start talking about their viewpoint on Complementary and Alternative medicine to get my passion going.

    So I did not mean to offend you I am presenting the argument of horse slaughter the way I see it.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    I do not know where you came up with the idea that I am pro horse slaughter. I am not pro horse slaughter with the way it is run right now. The biggest concern I have is the way that the captive bolt is being used. The horse needs to be restrained properly for it to actually be a humane death which is where all the arguments of it being euthanasia fall apart, because as far as I can tell their is no head restraint at all. This among other things need to be changed if we are going to keep horse slaughter, if it is not going to be changed then personally I think it is already violating the humane laws that we have on record.

    Also I did not say or even imply that the humane society is not doing a good job of welfare. What I did imply is that information of where rescue groups are located specifically for horses is lacking which is where the website for the unwanted horse coalition has been extremely helpful. Taking the website at face value this is where the American Horse Council is coming from with this website -

    “The Unwanted Horse Coalition, a broad alliance of equine organizations that have joined together under the American Horse Council, is concerned that some horses may slip through the various safety nets within the equine industry. Too many owners are unaware of, or do not give enough thought to, the available options, services and assistance available in the industry to help them ensure that their horse has caring and humane support throughout its life. ”

    The first thing you see on the site is a new online directory of facilities that accept horses! You go to the humane society or other websites and you do not find this information easily, if at all.

    I have no argument with you at all. And I am not attacking you personally – you made an incorrect statement and I corrected it. I am sorry if that offended you. Let me explain a little more about my not needing proof… Facts – I like facts. You inquired about proof, I do not need proof and I will explain why. This small piece in the press release about who’s in bed with who is politics and mudslinging which I really do not like to be a part of, in this situation I brought it up because I thought it pertinent to point out that it is getting uglier and that the VEW made a huge strike by having “proof” that the AVMA is not being truthful in it “unbiased” claim of being “neutral” to the slaughterhouses. Is it true or not? In the world of politics and mudslinging it does not matter. Perception is reality when it comes to mudslinging. My quick search on the internet showed some validity to the VEW’s claim so I really did not need more proof, because like you said I have already made up my mind – slaughter for horses the way it is run right now is bad and my professional organizations are incorrect in their stance. I do not need proof that they are in bed with anyone. Personally I do not care, because there are a lot of things my organizations do that I do not agree with – we can start talking about their viewpoint on Complementary and Alternative medicine to get my passion going.

    So I did not mean to offend you I am presenting the argument of horse slaughter the way I see it.

  • cd

    Sue- you say prices are up- I want proof of that. Recently in my part of the country- 3 yr olds being ridden thru a sale were bringing $50. (fifty bucks- not a typo) I have seen no evidence of a price increase. Heck you cant even give em away here.
    My main reason for supporting slaughter is to keep my rights as a horse owner. They dont take our rights all away at once, they do it incrementally- then one morning you wake up and think- WT%F- its too late then, done deal. This will be only the beginning of more laws, and more taxes to fund the laws. We have enough laws and taxes, we are taxed to death now.
    We dont need more laws, but we do need more education!
    cd

  • cd

    Sue- you say prices are up- I want proof of that. Recently in my part of the country- 3 yr olds being ridden thru a sale were bringing $50. (fifty bucks- not a typo) I have seen no evidence of a price increase. Heck you cant even give em away here.
    My main reason for supporting slaughter is to keep my rights as a horse owner. They dont take our rights all away at once, they do it incrementally- then one morning you wake up and think- WT%F- its too late then, done deal. This will be only the beginning of more laws, and more taxes to fund the laws. We have enough laws and taxes, we are taxed to death now.
    We dont need more laws, but we do need more education!
    cd

  • Sue Walker

    Here is the latest announcement from a big sale in Montana. Similar articles have come out of Texas, Kentucky and PA. A simple Google search turns them up.
    _____________________________________________

    News! September 25, 2007
    BLS September loose market trumps Sept ’06
    Amazing – even with the unannounced closure (again) of the last U.S. processing plant on the Friday afternoon prior to the September sale weekend, the BLS loose market maintained it’s strength AND – was actually $126 per head BETTER on the top 100 than in September one year ago!!
    How about that??!! The top 100 in September 2007 averaged $653 per head – the top 100 in September 2006 averaged $527 – the comparison on the top 50 is even more astounding – in September 2006 they averaged $643 per head, while September 2007 they brought $838 per head – now that’s $195 MORE!!!Top market prices ARE paid at Billings Livestock – rhyme and reason – a full slate of buyers are in attendance at BLS – from top-end to bottom-end – from prospects to recipients – from riders to buckers – the buyers are on the seats to buy them “as is, how is”. Your loose horse is marketed to a full sale arena.
    Comparing September 2007 against August 2007 prices (when one U.S. plant remained in operation) – the top 100 brought $692 per head in August vs. $653 in September. HONESTLY – It’s worth the gamble and coggins test (if nec) to bring them to BLS – you stand a good shot of your loose consignment exceeding current market value. It’s not a secret at BLS – we publish the averages!
    Here are the stats for September 2007: 469 head offered loose; top five averaged $1,260; Top 10 came in at $1,003; Top 20 averaged $817; top 50 brought $643; and the top 100 averaged $527.
    Next loose offering: Sunday, October 28 at 9 a.m.

  • Sue Walker

    Here is the latest announcement from a big sale in Montana. Similar articles have come out of Texas, Kentucky and PA. A simple Google search turns them up.
    _____________________________________________

    News! September 25, 2007
    BLS September loose market trumps Sept ’06
    Amazing – even with the unannounced closure (again) of the last U.S. processing plant on the Friday afternoon prior to the September sale weekend, the BLS loose market maintained it’s strength AND – was actually $126 per head BETTER on the top 100 than in September one year ago!!
    How about that??!! The top 100 in September 2007 averaged $653 per head – the top 100 in September 2006 averaged $527 – the comparison on the top 50 is even more astounding – in September 2006 they averaged $643 per head, while September 2007 they brought $838 per head – now that’s $195 MORE!!!Top market prices ARE paid at Billings Livestock – rhyme and reason – a full slate of buyers are in attendance at BLS – from top-end to bottom-end – from prospects to recipients – from riders to buckers – the buyers are on the seats to buy them “as is, how is”. Your loose horse is marketed to a full sale arena.
    Comparing September 2007 against August 2007 prices (when one U.S. plant remained in operation) – the top 100 brought $692 per head in August vs. $653 in September. HONESTLY – It’s worth the gamble and coggins test (if nec) to bring them to BLS – you stand a good shot of your loose consignment exceeding current market value. It’s not a secret at BLS – we publish the averages!
    Here are the stats for September 2007: 469 head offered loose; top five averaged $1,260; Top 10 came in at $1,003; Top 20 averaged $817; top 50 brought $643; and the top 100 averaged $527.
    Next loose offering: Sunday, October 28 at 9 a.m.

  • Gerry

    Vicki,
    The pro side was very much aware of the number being shipped outside of the country, and how those numbers would rise if the plants were closed here. That was one of the points the AQHA made in it’s stand, which the anti folks denounced as being false.
    Gerry

  • Gerry

    Vicki,
    The pro side was very much aware of the number being shipped outside of the country, and how those numbers would rise if the plants were closed here. That was one of the points the AQHA made in it’s stand, which the anti folks denounced as being false.
    Gerry

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    You chose one from a state next to Canada…LOL. Shipping to Canada for slaughter is not going to be that big of a deal from Montana. I will do a quick search and see if I can find one from Kentucky, or PA like you stated.

    In my experience here in Illinois and Indiana, horse prices are pathetic.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Sue,

    You chose one from a state next to Canada…LOL. Shipping to Canada for slaughter is not going to be that big of a deal from Montana. I will do a quick search and see if I can find one from Kentucky, or PA like you stated.

    In my experience here in Illinois and Indiana, horse prices are pathetic.

  • Allison

    >How about that??!! The top 100 in September 2007 averaged $653 per head – the top 100 in September 2006 averaged $527 – the comparison on the top 50 is even more astounding -

    I would like to know where you found this as the local sale here averages 190$ a head for horses. So I doubt seriously the market is “better” in Pa!

  • Allison

    >How about that??!! The top 100 in September 2007 averaged $653 per head – the top 100 in September 2006 averaged $527 – the comparison on the top 50 is even more astounding -

    I would like to know where you found this as the local sale here averages 190$ a head for horses. So I doubt seriously the market is “better” in Pa!

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Virgina -
    Richmond, VA Mon Nov 12, 2007 VA Dept of Ag-USDA Market News

    Marshall, VA Horse Sale

    Monthly Sale for Nov 10, 2007
    93 head sold per head

    Riding Horses, serviceable age
    Average to good quality 150.00- 700.00
    Better quality 1000.00-1600.00

    Riding Ponies
    Small 110.00-250.00
    1 head at 560.00

    Loose Horses
    Average to good flesh 165.00-410.00

    Source: Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
    USDA-VA Market News, Richmond, VA 804.786.3947
    http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/marketnews
    market.news@vdacs.virginia.gov

    1410e bbl jhr

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Virgina -
    Richmond, VA Mon Nov 12, 2007 VA Dept of Ag-USDA Market News

    Marshall, VA Horse Sale

    Monthly Sale for Nov 10, 2007
    93 head sold per head

    Riding Horses, serviceable age
    Average to good quality 150.00- 700.00
    Better quality 1000.00-1600.00

    Riding Ponies
    Small 110.00-250.00
    1 head at 560.00

    Loose Horses
    Average to good flesh 165.00-410.00

    Source: Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
    USDA-VA Market News, Richmond, VA 804.786.3947
    http://www.vdacs.virginia.gov/marketnews
    market.news@vdacs.virginia.gov

    1410e bbl jhr

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    The thoroughbreds are experiencing fewer horses sold this year in comparison to last year, which normally would mean higher prices but they are experiencing either the same market or much lower depending on the sale – here is a list from them -

    http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/sales/auctions.aspx

    So what this means is that the market overall is decreasing not just the loose horses. So is it a trickle up from the lack of killer buyers or is it the market overall from a slowing economy? That is where the facts end and the speculation begins.

    However overall the market is down on horses.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    The thoroughbreds are experiencing fewer horses sold this year in comparison to last year, which normally would mean higher prices but they are experiencing either the same market or much lower depending on the sale – here is a list from them -

    http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/sales/auctions.aspx

    So what this means is that the market overall is decreasing not just the loose horses. So is it a trickle up from the lack of killer buyers or is it the market overall from a slowing economy? That is where the facts end and the speculation begins.

    However overall the market is down on horses.

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Now here is a conflicting report from the Thoroughbreds -

    http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42081

    But Tattersalls is running a little lower this year – http://www.tattersalls.com/

  • http://www.evetclinic.com Daniel Beatty, DVM

    Now here is a conflicting report from the Thoroughbreds -

    http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=42081

    But Tattersalls is running a little lower this year – http://www.tattersalls.com/

  • vicki

    Gerry, the slaughter exports are no higher than they’ve been in prior years. Again, if the AQHA is making such an issue out of it, why didn’t they make an issue out of it when the kill houses were open? Why was okay then but now it isn’t? If they are so concerned about the exports, why aren’t they doing everything possible to ensure passage of S 311 to stop the transports? Instead, they’ve hired a PR firm that is spewing lies about the bill. Here is a press release that was issued today from Senator Landrieu’s office.

    AQHA GETS FACTS WRONG IN ATTACK ON LANDRIEU HORSE SLAUGHTER BILL
    Falsely claims Landrieu bill would ban all horse transportation.

    WASHINGTON – The American Quarterly Horse Association (AQHA) released a press release today mischaracterizing S. 311, the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, claiming that the bill would limit horse transportation for any reason.
    “The horse slaughter bill is essential to protecting some of America’s most beloved animals,” Sen. Landrieu said. “The bill does not ban horse transportation; it only bans transporting horses if the animals are intended to be slaughtered for human consumption. This practice is cruel and inhumane, and I will continue to fight to ensure that it never happens again.”
    In their press release, AQHA falsely claims that “[m]embers may sell horses unaware of the buyer’s intent with the animal and to where it may be transported, possibly resulting in legal ramifications for the seller.”
    S. 311 includes a “knowingly” requirement. Innocent owners and transporters will not be affected by the legislation; only those who knowingly transport, buy or sell horses with the intent to slaughter them for human consumption would be in violation of the law.
    The bill has not yet been scheduled for a vote as claimed by the AQHA, but Sen. Landrieu is fighting to pass the bill quickly to protect America’s horses.

  • vicki

    Gerry, the slaughter exports are no higher than they’ve been in prior years. Again, if the AQHA is making such an issue out of it, why didn’t they make an issue out of it when the kill houses were open? Why was okay then but now it isn’t? If they are so concerned about the exports, why aren’t they doing everything possible to ensure passage of S 311 to stop the transports? Instead, they’ve hired a PR firm that is spewing lies about the bill. Here is a press release that was issued today from Senator Landrieu’s office.

    AQHA GETS FACTS WRONG IN ATTACK ON LANDRIEU HORSE SLAUGHTER BILL
    Falsely claims Landrieu bill would ban all horse transportation.

    WASHINGTON – The American Quarterly Horse Association (AQHA) released a press release today mischaracterizing S. 311, the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, claiming that the bill would limit horse transportation for any reason.
    “The horse slaughter bill is essential to protecting some of America’s most beloved animals,” Sen. Landrieu said. “The bill does not ban horse transportation; it only bans transporting horses if the animals are intended to be slaughtered for human consumption. This practice is cruel and inhumane, and I will continue to fight to ensure that it never happens again.”
    In their press release, AQHA falsely claims that “[m]embers may sell horses unaware of the buyer’s intent with the animal and to where it may be transported, possibly resulting in legal ramifications for the seller.”
    S. 311 includes a “knowingly” requirement. Innocent owners and transporters will not be affected by the legislation; only those who knowingly transport, buy or sell horses with the intent to slaughter them for human consumption would be in violation of the law.
    The bill has not yet been scheduled for a vote as claimed by the AQHA, but Sen. Landrieu is fighting to pass the bill quickly to protect America’s horses.

  • vicki

    Dr. B, points well taken but all of those articles depicting horses being dumped are more fabrications by PR firms hired by pro slaughter organizations. There is proof that none of the sightings are factual and you will see it published very soon. I will pass along the link when it’s available. The reported cases of abandonment, abuse or neglect are no higher than when the kill houses were open. If you read the pro slaughter dribble on abuse and neglect, they are advocating slaughtering horses to prevent an incident that may or may not happen. In the link I posted, there is information on the AVMA soliciting specific instances of increased abuse and/or neglect. They’re not asking for all data on abuse and neglect, only the increases. As expected, they only want data to support their pro slaughter stance. If the data proves the opposite, they don’t want to hear about it. They have been called on their numerous false statements are refuse to address them or offer a rebuttal. Instead, they continue with scare tactics and faulty information. I don’t know the percentage but a good number of the dues paying members are fed up with the AVMAs stance on slaughter. They have never polled their membership and to claim to represent vets on this issue, is not ethical. There are excellent statements on VEWs website from members of the AVMA.

    I am aware of the horse sales but the worst hay shortage in many years and the grain cost is a major driver. The pro folks continue to attribute the sales data solely to the kill houses being shut down.

    Why would the kill buyers continue buying if they have no way to transport them?

  • vicki

    Dr. B, points well taken but all of those articles depicting horses being dumped are more fabrications by PR firms hired by pro slaughter organizations. There is proof that none of the sightings are factual and you will see it published very soon. I will pass along the link when it’s available. The reported cases of abandonment, abuse or neglect are no higher than when the kill houses were open. If you read the pro slaughter dribble on abuse and neglect, they are advocating slaughtering horses to prevent an incident that may or may not happen. In the link I posted, there is information on the AVMA soliciting specific instances of increased abuse and/or neglect. They’re not asking for all data on abuse and neglect, only the increases. As expected, they only want data to support their pro slaughter stance. If the data proves the opposite, they don’t want to hear about it. They have been called on their numerous false statements are refuse to address them or offer a rebuttal. Instead, they continue with scare tactics and faulty information. I don’t know the percentage but a good number of the dues paying members are fed up with the AVMAs stance on slaughter. They have never polled their membership and to claim to represent vets on this issue, is not ethical. There are excellent statements on VEWs website from members of the AVMA.

    I am aware of the horse sales but the worst hay shortage in many years and the grain cost is a major driver. The pro folks continue to attribute the sales data solely to the kill houses being shut down.

    Why would the kill buyers continue buying if they have no way to transport them?

  • Barbara

    I have two comments on this issue. I’ll start with the issue of slaughter as a form of euthanasia.

    If you cannot afford to put your horse(s) down at the end of their lives (or due to illness or injury), you should not own a horse, PERIOD!

    And let’s remember that slaughter buyers do NOT WANT your crippled old nags… And they never have. They want healthy, fat horses that will bring a higher price at the slaughter house. At the US plants, THEY recorded that only 10% of horses brought in/processed were anything but fat and healthy. So, last year, that was around 10,000 12,000 old, skinny, or crippled horses that were slaughtered. The horse mortality rate (according to the US Horse Council, arguably pro-slaughter group) is 10%. That means (out of a horse population over over 9 Million horses) nearly 1 MILLION horses died or were put down last year due to old age, illness, injury, accident, or other causes. So, roughly 8-900,000 horses some how found their way from this world in a way OTHER than slaughter. Do you still think that slaughter is truly a viable and NEEDED alternative to humane euthanasia? GIVE ME A BREAK!

    Now that horse prices are down and gas prices are up, there’s no way a killer buyer is going to bid on a skinny, lame old nag… People have to take RESPONSIBILITY for the animals they own!

    Just like dogs and cats, horses are PETS!! Call them livestock if you want, but they are technically pets… Everything we do with horses we also do with dogs. We show them both, use both for working cattle and other farm animals, both are therapy animas, both are police/military animals, and both are pleasure/companion animals. The ONLY things that dogs do that horses don’t are home/property protection and drug sniffing. And it’s a bit difficult to manage them in bed with you, lol. But seriously folks, horses are PETS that happen to have hooves and eat hay. I don’t understand why so many horse owners/breeders find that concept difficult to grasp.

    Yes, cows are shown as well, and some are used to plow fields, and some may even be pets to some people, but the big difference is… MOST cows in the USA are EATEN! Or used for milk, or for breeding milk or beef cows.

    So, staying with the idea that horses are pets, then it’s only reasonable that horse owners should be held to the same standards as dog owners. If you cannot care for your horse properly, and that includes humane euthanasia should the time come, then they should be taken away from you and your “right” to horse ownership should be revoked.

    You have the “right” to own horses, but you have a moral AND legal responsibility to properly care for them.

  • Barbara

    I have two comments on this issue. I’ll start with the issue of slaughter as a form of euthanasia.

    If you cannot afford to put your horse(s) down at the end of their lives (or due to illness or injury), you should not own a horse, PERIOD!

    And let’s remember that slaughter buyers do NOT WANT your crippled old nags… And they never have. They want healthy, fat horses that will bring a higher price at the slaughter house. At the US plants, THEY recorded that only 10% of horses brought in/processed were anything but fat and healthy. So, last year, that was around 10,000 12,000 old, skinny, or crippled horses that were slaughtered. The horse mortality rate (according to the US Horse Council, arguably pro-slaughter group) is 10%. That means (out of a horse population over over 9 Million horses) nearly 1 MILLION horses died or were put down last year due to old age, illness, injury, accident, or other causes. So, roughly 8-900,000 horses some how found their way from this world in a way OTHER than slaughter. Do you still think that slaughter is truly a viable and NEEDED alternative to humane euthanasia? GIVE ME A BREAK!

    Now that horse prices are down and gas prices are up, there’s no way a killer buyer is going to bid on a skinny, lame old nag… People have to take RESPONSIBILITY for the animals they own!

    Just like dogs and cats, horses are PETS!! Call them livestock if you want, but they are technically pets… Everything we do with horses we also do with dogs. We show them both, use both for working cattle and other farm animals, both are therapy animas, both are police/military animals, and both are pleasure/companion animals. The ONLY things that dogs do that horses don’t are home/property protection and drug sniffing. And it’s a bit difficult to manage them in bed with you, lol. But seriously folks, horses are PETS that happen to have hooves and eat hay. I don’t understand why so many horse owners/breeders find that concept difficult to grasp.

    Yes, cows are shown as well, and some are used to plow fields, and some may even be pets to some people, but the big difference is… MOST cows in the USA are EATEN! Or used for milk, or for breeding milk or beef cows.

    So, staying with the idea that horses are pets, then it’s only reasonable that horse owners should be held to the same standards as dog owners. If you cannot care for your horse properly, and that includes humane euthanasia should the time come, then they should be taken away from you and your “right” to horse ownership should be revoked.

    You have the “right” to own horses, but you have a moral AND legal responsibility to properly care for them.

  • http://SaveDaHorses.com Thomas Lee Trevino

    Let me first say the AVMA and the AAEP knew hose slaughter is not humane they knew horses had been going to slaughter for years and did nothing they knew for years they operated foreign owned and operated in Texas illegal and did nothing. They knew Double Deckers were inhumane and did nothing for years. They knew horse slaughter plants promoted illegals for year and including the there supporters Beef,Pork,and Poultry favored illegals for low wages and no taxes. Just as the foreigners are exempt from Gross Income Taxes and Tariffs on exports. They knew they had numerious fines from OSHA and did nothing and now there still know laws are being broken for profits and have ignored an Oath they took in office and fail on that promise too. They are Nuts and should not be in there positions. I continue to expose these sellouts to all. I will protect our Rescues and Horses that are the front line from Slaughter Sellouts, Abuse and Neglective heros since the AVMA,AAEP,HCI,AQHA,APHA reward there evil doings and calling it an Nessary Evil. Bull Crap the facts speak for itself. The Top Ten Resuces for Donations is a horse base family that has now raised and Issued more than 7,000 dollars to assist rescues from Bad Folks and Bad Sellout Business that profits off there flesh.Its ability to grow is proving that a mere donation can go a lone way and not make up excuess about lies they promote for there own profits. A horse is a bibical animal and forbits humans to consume the cloven hoof animals as food. They ignore the facts and profit off lies and flesh.. Shame on all Killer Buyers and Auctioneers that feel this is rightiousness. Sincerely Thomas Lee Trevino

  • http://SaveDaHorses.com Thomas Lee Trevino

    Let me first say the AVMA and the AAEP knew hose slaughter is not humane they knew horses had been going to slaughter for years and did nothing they knew for years they operated foreign owned and operated in Texas illegal and did nothing. They knew Double Deckers were inhumane and did nothing for years. They knew horse slaughter plants promoted illegals for year and including the there supporters Beef,Pork,and Poultry favored illegals for low wages and no taxes. Just as the foreigners are exempt from Gross Income Taxes and Tariffs on exports. They knew they had numerious fines from OSHA and did nothing and now there still know laws are being broken for profits and have ignored an Oath they took in office and fail on that promise too. They are Nuts and should not be in there positions. I continue to expose these sellouts to all. I will protect our Rescues and Horses that are the front line from Slaughter Sellouts, Abuse and Neglective heros since the AVMA,AAEP,HCI,AQHA,APHA reward there evil doings and calling it an Nessary Evil. Bull Crap the facts speak for itself. The Top Ten Resuces for Donations is a horse base family that has now raised and Issued more than 7,000 dollars to assist rescues from Bad Folks and Bad Sellout Business that profits off there flesh.Its ability to grow is proving that a mere donation can go a lone way and not make up excuess about lies they promote for there own profits. A horse is a bibical animal and forbits humans to consume the cloven hoof animals as food. They ignore the facts and profit off lies and flesh.. Shame on all Killer Buyers and Auctioneers that feel this is rightiousness. Sincerely Thomas Lee Trevino

  • Barbara

    My second comment, about the horse market.

    There is one thing you should keep in mind. Horses are STILL being slaughtered, and the numbers are not down that much as compared to this time last year. The slump you are seing in your area is NOT because of slaughter. The slump you are seeing is because of a few different issues, as follows:

    Gas prices are up! This increases the cost of everythng, including feed and hay, and decreases people’s expensible resources. Horses are a luxury item and one of the first things to be “cut” from many people’s budget. It’s also more expensive to have horses shipped, so people are looking for “bargains” closer to home when they do purchase.

    Corn prices are up. Thanks to ethanol research and overall demand, corn prices have nearly doubled. This drives up the price of feed, which makes horse keeping more expensive. Corn was used as a cheap filler in horse feeds, but now many companies are switching to beet pulp, which is cheaper, but still more expensive than corn was.

    The overal economy is down. Ever since 9-11 the economy had suffered, as has the horse market. Things have been in a graudal, but steady, downhill slide. The horse market has suffered because, as I said, horses are a luxury item.
    Auction prices have been going down and down, quicker than the private sale market, while killer numbers were going up and up (until this year, when they dropped for a while, but are now coming back up). Now the entire horse
    community is really feeling this economic slump.
    It’s quite convenient for people to blame the crappy horse market on the slaughter issue, but that is total hogwash! Sure, it was a slap in the face to the bottom market that was already in the toilet, but slaughter numbers are back
    up to nearly what they were before Texas and Illinois closed their plants (thanks to 3 new slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico increasing production). So, that right there shows that the slaughter industry has LITTLE effect on the overall horse market.

    Read this article. The author, John, has always used real FACTS to back up his articles and statements.
    http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20071124/COLUMN/71123047

  • Barbara
  • Barbara

    My second comment, about the horse market.

    There is one thing you should keep in mind. Horses are STILL being slaughtered, and the numbers are not down that much as compared to this time last year. The slump you are seing in your area is NOT because of slaughter. The slump you are seeing is because of a few different issues, as follows:

    Gas prices are up! This increases the cost of everythng, including feed and hay, and decreases people’s expensible resources. Horses are a luxury item and one of the first things to be “cut” from many people’s budget. It’s also more expensive to have horses shipped, so people are looking for “bargains” closer to home when they do purchase.

    Corn prices are up. Thanks to ethanol research and overall demand, corn prices have nearly doubled. This drives up the price of feed, which makes horse keeping more expensive. Corn was used as a cheap filler in horse feeds, but now many companies are switching to beet pulp, which is cheaper, but still more expensive than corn was.

    The overal economy is down. Ever since 9-11 the economy had suffered, as has the horse market. Things have been in a graudal, but steady, downhill slide. The horse market has suffered because, as I said, horses are a luxury item.
    Auction prices have been going down and down, quicker than the private sale market, while killer numbers were going up and up (until this year, when they dropped for a while, but are now coming back up). Now the entire horse
    community is really feeling this economic slump.
    It’s quite convenient for people to blame the crappy horse market on the slaughter issue, but that is total hogwash! Sure, it was a slap in the face to the bottom market that was already in the toilet, but slaughter numbers are back
    up to nearly what they were before Texas and Illinois closed their plants (thanks to 3 new slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico increasing production). So, that right there shows that the slaughter industry has LITTLE effect on the overall horse market.

    Read this article. The author, John, has always used real FACTS to back up his articles and statements.
    http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20071124/COLUMN/71123047

  • Barbara
  • Barbara

    My second comment, about the horse market.

    There is one thing you should keep in mind. Horses are STILL being slaughtered, and the numbers are not down that much as compared to this time last year. The slump you are seing in your area is NOT because of slaughter. The slump you are seeing is because of a few different issues, as follows:

    Gas prices are up! This increases the cost of everythng, including feed and hay, and decreases people’s expensible resources. Horses are a luxury item and one of the first things to be “cut” from many people’s budget. It’s also more expensive to have horses shipped, so people are looking for “bargains” closer to home when they do purchase.

    Corn prices are up. Thanks to ethanol research and overall demand, corn prices have nearly doubled. This drives up the price of feed, which makes horse keeping more expensive. Corn was used as a cheap filler in horse feeds, but now many companies are switching to beet pulp, which is cheaper, but still more expensive than corn was.

    The overal economy is down. Ever since 9-11 the economy had suffered, as has the horse market. Things have been in a graudal, but steady, downhill slide. The horse market has suffered because, as I said, horses are a luxury item.
    Auction prices have been going down and down, quicker than the private sale market, while killer numbers were going up and up (until this year, when they dropped for a while, but are now coming back up). Now the entire horse
    community is really feeling this economic slump.
    It’s quite convenient for people to blame the crappy horse market on the slaughter issue, but that is total hogwash! Sure, it was a slap in the face to the bottom market that was already in the toilet, but slaughter numbers are back
    up to nearly what they were before Texas and Illinois closed their plants (thanks to 3 new slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico increasing production). So, that right there shows that the slaughter industry has LITTLE effect on the overall horse market.

    Read the article I posted above. The author, John Holland, has always used real FACTS to back up his articles and statements.

  • Barbara

    My second comment, about the horse market.

    There is one thing you should keep in mind. Horses are STILL being slaughtered, and the numbers are not down that much as compared to this time last year. The slump you are seing in your area is NOT because of slaughter. The slump you are seeing is because of a few different issues, as follows:

    Gas prices are up! This increases the cost of everythng, including feed and hay, and decreases people’s expensible resources. Horses are a luxury item and one of the first things to be “cut” from many people’s budget. It’s also more expensive to have horses shipped, so people are looking for “bargains” closer to home when they do purchase.

    Corn prices are up. Thanks to ethanol research and overall demand, corn prices have nearly doubled. This drives up the price of feed, which makes horse keeping more expensive. Corn was used as a cheap filler in horse feeds, but now many companies are switching to beet pulp, which is cheaper, but still more expensive than corn was.

    The overal economy is down. Ever since 9-11 the economy had suffered, as has the horse market. Things have been in a graudal, but steady, downhill slide. The horse market has suffered because, as I said, horses are a luxury item.
    Auction prices have been going down and down, quicker than the private sale market, while killer numbers were going up and up (until this year, when they dropped for a while, but are now coming back up). Now the entire horse
    community is really feeling this economic slump.
    It’s quite convenient for people to blame the crappy horse market on the slaughter issue, but that is total hogwash! Sure, it was a slap in the face to the bottom market that was already in the toilet, but slaughter numbers are back
    up to nearly what they were before Texas and Illinois closed their plants (thanks to 3 new slaughter plants in Canada and Mexico increasing production). So, that right there shows that the slaughter industry has LITTLE effect on the overall horse market.

    Read the article I posted above. The author, John Holland, has always used real FACTS to back up his articles and statements.

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